Shari Moss - Meghan Fitzpatrick: Episode 112

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[0:00:30] Charlie Hoehn: You’re listening to Author Hour, enlightening conversations about books with the authors who wrote them. I’m Charlie Hoehn. Today’s episode is with Shari Moss and Meghan Fitzpatrick, co-authors of Table Talk. In today’s world, we face unique obstacles that can leave us feeling trapped, lost or paralyzed. In order to lift yourself up and move forward, Shari and Meghan believe you need a solid support system. One that brings allies to your table. In this episode, they share their most powerful strategy for helping millennials create a network of the best, most effective, table mates. By the end of this episode, you’ll know what it takes to get experienced mentors who can guide you through major life events. Like navigating your career path or discovering your passion. Now, here is our conversation with Shari and Meghan.

[0:01:42] MF: We met on, while working on Shari’s first book and we got into a really good friendship after that book ended and she had also just leased a place in Austin where I live, so we started getting together and that was concurrent with a job that had just started that sort of led us to this point where we start having the same conversation over and over again and you can talk about that conversation.

[0:02:11] SM: I’ve been really listening, key word listen, to young people from many years and the reason they kept coming back to me was because it wasn’t just about the business side of things that I knew because as the kids got older and got into college and beyond, into their first jobs, they had a lot of questions but what began for them was an open forum of nice, even table where they would come and they would talk to me, open up about a lot of personal things in their life, things that they were struggling with. My way has always been to – there’s not judgment, it’s just always to listen first. You know, if they ask me a question, they would have to you know, be – listen to the real answer but there was no judgement put on that it was a very open conversation type of situation. Meghan was working with this beautiful group of very young semi-professional kids that were all brand new into this office, they’d been recruited. Fantastic kids, very, you know, very charismatic, desired to work hard to learn to move into this working world.

[0:03:21] MF: Yeah, we were having difficulties with our manager, we were feeling sort of stalled out and we didn’t know what conversations that we should be having where we should be going and I had bene talking to Shari about this for a couple of months and we had a moment where we said, you know, we should get all of my coworkers at the table, you know, with you and I and have that conversation because she was really helping me out and from that night, we started to say, you know, there’s something really – there’s something there that we need to –

[0:03:57] SM: Sprout. I was absolutely shocked, as I said, I had been talking to young people for a long time and so when this particular group came to see me because it was more on the business side of things, there were just very confused. To be quite honest, I was appalled, I was quite shocked, the kids were confused, what they were supposed to be doing, they were confused and rightly so on their manager’s behavior. Highly inappropriate, we’ll just leave it at that. I really wanted to talk with them and help them. Meghan and I did, we tried to sort of reach them and we came upon this idea as we looked at further into the field that a lot of kids were in this situation.

[0:04:39] Charlie Hoehn: In the situation with, that those kids hand with their manager or at the situation of just not really knowing what to do?

[0:04:47] SM: Actually, both, it really stems from being confused enough, not having experience enough and not having someone they thought that they could talk to about this. Not having the power inside them to find a way to see if - why were they confused? What was really going on? It goes far beyond that, you know? Meghan and I talked to people a lot that they don’t even have to be in this kind of jobs and situations, they’re just very confused, very lost, very stuck. Stagnant. In what they just don’t even know what route to take for their future, whether it’s job and – well, mostly job, right Meghan? That’s what we discussed?

[0:05:25] MF: Job, but also sort of navigating adult relationships and situations.

[0:05:31] Charlie Hoehn: A lot of people, just to play devil’s advocate. A lot of people have conversations like I guess with young people who are feeling stuck, lost, they don’t necessarily think after, “Hey, we got to write a book about it,” you know? What stood out to you after that conversation that made you really realize, “Hey, this is something bigger than what we originally thought.”

[0:05:56] SM: Well, what Meghan did know and the reason she chose me to speak to these kids was, I actually conduct workshops at home, I conduct them for millennials, it’s a free program I offer, I bring them in and we discuss. I have my own methodology and my own formula for drawing out of them where they can find inspiration inside them and who - how to find the people that could help them. With Meghan, I found this hugely dynamic individual, I was fortunate enough to work with a couple of years ago. We suddenly discovered and this is the key to the beginning of the book table top. We discovered how her generation, they’re just not opening up and they’re just not talking and they’re not telling you, not telling everybody how - because they’re keeping it inside, the silent fear, it’s a real fear and I discovered that on my workshops, Meghan discovered that working in various situations she’s been in and we all have family, we all have friends. We know the situation. We decided because our working relationship was so fundamental and so key for both of us, this is what we wanted to tell people.

[0:07:06] Charlie Hoehn: Shari, are you a baby boomer?

[0:07:09] SM: Well, actually, I’m sort at the of a very tail end of it.

[0:07:17] MF: You couldn’t even tell looking at her though.

[0:07:20] Charlie Hoehn: The reason I ask is because I’m a millennial and I’ve read a number of articles, written by people in the older generation that kind of come down on millennials or they say this and that on millennials. Is the book tailored to millennials or is this for human beings?

[0:07:40] SM: Right, that’s a great question. It’s definitely – it’s for both sides of what we call the gap. What we prescribe and we have seen those articles, you know, I’ve read all the books that bash millennials and that basically use the word millennial as a negative, the M word, right? What our book is about is tools and resources and strategies to bridge that gap and something that we read a lot about is that you can bridge that gap through the commonality of fundamental values. Every human, no matter what their age has a specific set of values and if you can connect at that fundamental level, you can overcome anything that might tear you apart. That’s what we talk a lot about in our book.

[0:08:38] MF: We talk a lot about setting up the proper communication. And really that’s what it all boils down to. We also do quite emphatically state that I am very much against millennial bashing in a word, in one word.

[0:08:53] SM: Yes.

[0:08:53] MF: I mean, in one word, it’s unproductive.

[0:08:55] SM: Let’s move on and what are we going to do about it? Well, Meghan and I said, we need to really talk to people about this and so we really laid our hearts on –

[0:09:05] Charlie Hoehn: When you say this, sorry to interrupt but when you say this, what do you mean by this?

[0:09:12] SM: Our philosophy on creating the book explains how you need to bring, find and bring table mates to your table to do table talk. When I say this, I’m referring to creating a relationship between people that can help each other and that includes people my age that includes, people Meghan’s age and that includes people coming up to her age and people past my age, it encompasses a world of wealth of knowledge and care that’s out there. The kids need to open up, they need to, because they’re not talking about the fears they have.

[0:09:50] Charlie Hoehn: This sounds like mentorship but slightly different. And I’m curious, what’s wrong with just having a mentor, are people not doing that correctly? Or what?

[0:10:02] SM: Well, I’m not going to, so far as to say that. But just like anything in the media today, a lot of young people are really caught up on how people are advertising themselves and in addition as mentors. This is really more than that, this is – it’s why we created our own language. That’s why we call them table mates and that’s why we call it table talk, it’s not mentoring, it’s beyond.

[0:10:26] MF: Yeah, there’s a couple of reasons why we think mentorship has sort of gone astray or the definition of mentorship has sort of gone astray. For instance, Tim Ferriss, I’m a huge fan of his. He recently released a book called Tribe of Mentors where it’s ‘basically a book comprised of interviews that he had conducted over email with dozens and dozens of very successful people. He called them mentors and I think that that’s misleading because a mentorship isn’t somebody standing on a stage, talking at you, it’s somebody who’s having a conversation, who’s having a give and take, he’s opening up. I think that there’s something wrong with that. I also recently just read a new book that just came out by Benjamin Hardy. I think it’s called Willpower Doesn’t Work. He says that you should pay your mentor which I don’t agree with either, that’s more of a coach in my mind but – the point is that I think the definition of mentorship has led a lot of people astray.

[0:11:33] Charlie Hoehn: I have never heard of paying for a mentor. That is ridiculous. Benjamin, shame on you my friend. To write a book about that even.

[0:11:44] MF: Well, let’s put it this way, you want to pay somebody, you’re looking for a consultant and –

[0:11:49] SM: You’re paying him to talk, you’re not paying him to work with you.

[0:11:53] Charlie Hoehn: I’m on board, so I agree with you on the nature of mentorship it needs to be upgraded from what a lot of us perceive it to be. Why table, why not retreat talk or walking along on the beach talk?

[0:12:13] MF: Because, quite simply, it’s the table that makes us even. It’s a very flat stable, even, playing field and I hesitate to use the word playing field but a map or what have you. It makes it very easy, to be – because a lot of the part of this is conducive to coming face to face to reaching out in a proper way, to meeting with someone face to face. You can’t help but be open and honest when you do it at a table. Because our thought process here, deems it appropriate for who would be the mentor to do the listening as well and learning.

[0:12:52] Charlie Hoehn: Yeah, as I was asking that question, I realized, Table Talk, it’s also a much better phrase and a much better title. You have a chapter in the book called The Shoulder. What does that mean?

[0:13:04] SM: Well, you know.

[0:13:05] MF: This is Shari’s favorite.

[0:13:08] SM: I have to tell you, there’s so many people out there and this comes on both sides of the table, okay? We’re so afraid to open up or to give answers or to ask questions so we put up our shoulder and to me, through my own experiences, it’s really born of afraid of being wrong or afraid of looking stupid or afraid of saying something that is not what the requirement was about. We tend to do that, we block ourselves, we put that shoulder up. Now, that’s only part of it, the other part of course is - I’m up here and I’m on a higher level, I’ve got a higher chair, we’re not at the flat, even table anymore and you’re going to have to learn from me because by the way, did I tell you how the 10 easy steps already get a private jet? I tell the kids, you stay away from people like that and that’s nothing more than part of what I consider the shoulder. When they see those types of you know, social media plugs, you know, I always tell them, ask yourself who this is really about. That’s how you know that shoulder comes up, it’s not about you anymore. In order to do this effectively and we give you the necessary steps, part of the reason it’s a table is, we build that table with solid foundation, it has four legs, it’s on a solid foundation and it’s nice and even. The same thing goes for, you know, that shoulder, when you’re sitting facing somebody at the table, your shoulder isn’t up.

[0:14:40] Charlie Hoehn: Now, you two have known each other for how many years now?

[0:14:43] MF: Two and a half, possibly?

[0:14:48] Charlie Hoehn: Two and a half and it sounds like in that time, you developed obviously a great relationship, what I’m curious about is how do we get the best people, the right people for us at our table and where do we even find them?

[0:15:04] MF: Well, you see that’s a very good question and that’s the lead into the book. The book will – we lay it out very succinctly, very simply, it is a thought process but we give you the goods on that.

[0:15:17] SM: A lot of what we talk about is the idea of shopping around for the right people, being – not being afraid of firing, I guess, if you were to use that other guy’s term of hiring mental or firing a mentor. There are times where you invest a lot of time and somebody thinking that they’re the right person and they’re not. You sunk all this cost into them and you’re afraid to leave. But what we talk a lot about is, you know, feeling free to get out of there if you need to. We talk about how to figure out if you're with the wrong people and then we also think, we also talk about how to figure out what you need in a mentor and how you can identify that and in the people sitting across the table from you.

[0:16:02] Charlie Hoehn: That’s why we’re having this conversation? Tell me what I need to know if I’m in the wrong relationship with a potential mentor or a potential table mate. What do I need to be aware of?

[0:16:16] SM: Well, quite simply, are they listening to you? Because they have just as much to learn and to work with through you as you do through them. If they are not communicating to you in an appropriate manner, we could say that. If they are not answering your questions to which you know, the appropriate way you’re asking the questions, in other words, does it benefit you? Do they only just want to talk about themselves, do they have time for you? You know, they have to be just as dedicated but again, if they’re listening and they want to see this through, they will have the time for you.

[0:16:49] MF: Yeah, a lot of people think that they match with somebody because that somebody is high up in an industry that they want to be in or that they drive a nice car or that they go and talk on a stage in front of a lot of people. People looking for mentors get blinded by those things and what we’re talking about is, looking beyond those things and understanding if you have common values, common goals, common world views and that’s really what cements your relationship and makes it so strong and important in your life.

[0:17:21] SM: The common values is incredibly important, that is part of the process too. You must identify those yourselves because you need to be aware of that in who you’re going to be working with.

[0:17:33] Charlie Hoehn: Did both of you learn a lot of these lessons through trial and error? I suppose I’m speaking more to Shari, right?

[0:17:42] SM: Absolutely. But I’ve had a quite a few decades’ career, different industries. I was an entrepreneur for a very long time and it was in Telecom, Wireless Telecom which started out before it was wireless telecom. I’ve been through a lot of process, a lot of companies, a lot of employees, a lot of situations and especially in sales and marketing.

[0:18:03] MF: And she’s had a lot of people come to her, wanting her to be there for and she’s seen the flubs that have gotten them kicked out of her table as well.

[0:18:14] SM: That’s right.

[0:18:16] MF: So she could talk to that a lot.

[0:18:18] SM: Yeah, the kids that I have helped, I’ve watched them blossomed and that’s probably the best way to put this. There aren’t awards for people like me because when you are doing it for the sake of what it brings to the other person, that is why you’re doing it. And I teach the kids that. That’s also part of the process, are they doing it for your sake? You know I mentioned that earlier but it is very, very important. We give ourselves the award when we see you thrive. And if we can impart what we’ve all gone through in that world of business which, like I said I’ve been through in different aspects, it wasn’t just that field, I branched out into several other things just passion of mine and to help people set up their businesses. So I have that energy and desire that wants to help if I could help anybody in their situation when they’re starting up or when they’re young and they are not really sure what direction they want to take. But at the same time, there’s a lot I still need to know and I need to learn what – this is the first time in mankind, man’s history that you – we are not keeping up with the technological advances for the first time. So you can imagine that I probably need Meghan a lot to help me navigate through these treacherous waters as I call them but again, no shoulders are up. We help each other, we have honest questions and we respect the answers.

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[0:20:47] SM: Actually I am glad you asked, most recently I had a young woman. I tend to focus some groups also on women, young women because I want to work them through facing adversity which I have done as well pretty much, a great part of my life. So I think to hear them come back to me, two things happen in this past year and the one was there were two young women that had been present in about three out of the 10 workshops and came to me and said, “You know I figured it out. I am in the wrong program at school. That isn’t even what I want to do but this is what I really do. This is where my values lie, my passion lies and I am going to give it a go. I really want to try it.” And just seeing the beauty and excitement on her face, discovering that this is where I thrive. The other things though I have for example, there was a young man. His name is Saram, he’s from Toronto. He is a friend of my kids, I have young adult kids. He found my profile, went through it, he realized our connection and he reached out to me in a very, very professional way and asked if we could have a coffee. Now this event could not have even been better scripted from following the book which wasn’t even in its final stages yet or wasn’t ready to publish yet. So reached out properly and suggested – he gave me his background. He just completed his masters and he was a young entrepreneur, had a startup. He was three months into it. But he wasn’t sure why but he thought we should talk. So I was able to verify who he was and we decided to meet and our coffee turned into a long lunch and two and a half hours later just by listening to him talk about his ideas, who he was focusing on, what was his market, where was he going to go in the future, what did his future staff looked like, I had him just by simple questions, thinking, thinking, thinking outside of what I find most millennials do. They don’t realize that we’re all there as clients, as future clients especially us older people who still hold the purse strings if you know what I mean. So I made him think and at the end of this, his exact words were, “You know, I never knew what to expect coming here but boy, I certainly wasn’t expecting this. I had so much to think about and I am so grateful.” If that’s what I can get out of someone then I am very happy.

[0:23:19] Charlie Hoehn: Excellent. Now what would the world look like if more people followed the guidelines you lay out in Table Talk?

[0:23:29] SM: Well I think we’d get along just a little bit better.

[0:23:33] Charlie Hoehn: There would be less articles about millennials online I think.

[0:23:38] MF: Well, my family is - I come from a line of old Italian peasant and families where they all would sit outside and have four hour long dinners all night. I feel like that would be like - where everyone is sitting on a table preferably outside in nice weather and just talking inter generationally.

[0:23:57] SM: Well I will tell you one thing, everybody’s shoulders would be down.

[0:24:01] MF: A lot less ego.

[0:24:02] SM: Yeah there will be a lot less ego and I am glad you mentioned that Meghan because I often remind young people again that they are already challenged, we’ll just say with making their way into their future and when I see what I consider completely irresponsible, is when they are flooded with these photos of somebody standing there in front of a helicopter or a private jet and saying, “See if you do these 10 easy things you can have this.” Now here’s what I say to them, “Can you imagine you’re already feeling lost, confused, stuck in which you want to do? You are not really getting where you want to be. What happens if you don’t do it in the so called easy way? That pretty much sets you up for massive failure even worse, doesn’t it?” So I applaud Meghan, who - she’s always been very open, she’s always been very honest and she’s always been eager to listen.

[0:25:03] Charlie Hoehn: And Meghan what I am curious about with you is what’s been your biggest personal success with Table Talk?

[0:25:12] MF: So I had – after I finished up helping Shari with her first book, I got a job at a traditional corporation because I felt like that was what I should be doing and I found that it did not gel with my values or my dreams for the rest of my life and not only that was, my co-workers and I were dealing with a really difficult manager and a difficult environment and so through talking with Shari, I got the confidence and the nerve and the foresight and really what I appreciate so much about talking to somebody who is from a different generation, who has lived much longer than me, is that they have this sort of like long term vantage that I don’t have just because of my age. And so she was able through having a ton of therapeutic conversations with her, she was able to get me to look up a little bit higher than what I was looking. I wasn’t looking at the horizon and I was looking down. I thought I was totally stuck. I didn’t see the future and so that was really transformational to me and I got out of that environment very quickly and have since been on a great path.

[0:26:38] Charlie Hoehn: It sounds like Table Talk just helps everyone, not only with better decision making but staying grounded in reality of, “Hey you have a future ahead of you. I know because I’ve been there and I am here to support you and we have plenty to learn from each other just by listening.”

[0:26:57] MF: Right and you will see from a couple of the characters and I call them characters in the book because of their amalgamations of people that we worked with who for privacy reasons we didn’t say their names but you’ll see there is this one character names Stella who has no ability to see, to understand that to a year of her life being stuck is not the end of the world and she doesn’t have that ability to see in the future where somebody who has been on this earth for a couple more decades would say, “You’re fine, you’re okay, you will not be in danger.”

[0:27:35] Charlie Hoehn: You don’t need to panic quit, yeah.

[0:27:38] MF: Exactly, yeah you don’t need to rage quit from life and people need to hear that.

[0:27:44] SM: Yeah, exactly and that is one of the key components that comes from Meghan. It comes out from Meghan in the book is that her perspective of time is so different from my perspective of time but of course it would be.

[0:27:55] MF: Right, I have this great conversation with a man who writes for DC Comics and he’s written screenplays for big budget movies. He’s very successful and he’s a really cool guy and I asked him, “What would you tell somebody who was…” I have a friend who is a comedy writer who feels very stuck like there is a huge wall in front of him that he’ll never be able to climb and he wants the private jet, he wants the tent pole movie right now. And I asked this guy, Rob, what would you tell him and he said, “Listen, everyone who’s had an overnight success they’ve been working quietly for 10 years.”

[0:28:39] SM: That you are not aware.

[0:28:40] MF: Yeah and you don’t see that. So I think that perspective is so important for people, for people who are my age to understand.

[0:28:49] SM: I think I also want them to understand that you don’t start at succeed, you start at try. You know I don’t have – I am involved in several things that I am keeping very, very busy with and I am very excited about them all but this is a new path for me in the last few years and I often tell people and my own kids, “You don’t have to succeed but what you do have to do is try. You just have to keep trying because inevitably, it’s the ones who keep trying that do succeed.” I believe it’s what we need to do as the older generation. We need to tell them that, keep trying, share your stories. If I could just impart one piece of advice to all the people in this older generation, just share your stories with the young people. You’d be surprised and the young people if I could tell you, ask. Just ask, we’re flattered. We’ll tell you our stories, what was your biggest challenge? Where did you start? How many times did you try that before it worked? How many times did you have to change? In my world, you had three career jobs before you had the one you were going to stay with and this is back in the 80s. But it was okay because we were busy doing. We were just doing, we knew we had to work so we kept working, we kept evolving, we kept figuring it out. Why don’t we share those experiences with you and why don’t you then say, “Give me your example, what are you facing? What are you afraid of?” With that being all said, we do encourage people to - what I like to say start with who you know and watch it grow. Everybody has things in their backpack. They have power, they don’t even realize it that they are part of the power in their backpack are people already in their lives who their own lives is who their connections and that is literarally where you should start and you’d be amazed at what can happen.

[0:30:46] Charlie Hoehn: Beautifully said. Now I believe you’ve already answered my next question but I want to restate it just so it’s crystal clear for the listener, give our listeners a challenge. What is the one thing they ought to try or do this week from Table Talk that could make a big impact on their life?

[0:31:05] SM: Well I think we should both answer this and for me, I would say have the bravery and I don’t know why I have to use the word bravery but I believe I do. I have seen enough. Have the bravery to reach out to somebody in your own personal world, your network and throw the question to them. “I would love to have a conversation with you, I was hoping you could help me out with something,” you know there are all kinds of ways to do that. “I was hoping to just ask you a few questions,” what have you. But just try it. Just try it, you’d be so surprised with what comes back to you. Again, I will go back to Saram, who was explaining to me about this new startup. He started with just himself but he was soon very, very productive. He became quite successful quickly. He needed to hire three more people to help him and he started with his contacts, flat out, who should I be talking to, “Who do you know that you can recommend?” Well the same thing goes, it doesn’t just work that way in your working environment. This is personal, this is private, this is social, this is all the other fields. You need to be brave enough to reach out.

[0:32:17] MF: Yeah and riding off of Shari’s tail coats on that one, after you reach out I think it’s being totally okay with having an awkward conversation or having a conversation that you have no idea what you’re getting into. A lot of people that we talked to have tons of difficulty reaching out to people because they are afraid of the conversation that will follow. They don’t know if they are bringing anything useful, anything valuable to the conversation. They don’t know where it’s going to go, they don’t have the power in it. They feel awkward and that is totally okay.

[0:32:53] SM: Absolutely because we are going to tell you how awkward we use to feel but we were doing the same thing.

[0:32:59] MF: Yeah, we were forced to walk at first. We were working together.

[0:33:02] SM: What ended up happening and this is so positive for the future, Meghan and I are 30 years apart but we are about five inches apart because we’re glued at the hip, we enjoy each other’s company, we share so much, we’re not afraid to open up about anything and what we discovered, part of the reason, back when you asked at the beginning of how we created this relationship, as Meghan was listening to me talk she began to see females in her own family slightly differently. And started to understand them a little bit better. You know it’s not just about work, it’s about life and there’s a lot you can get from each other. Same with me, I’ve got young adults kids. You know there’s part of the relationship that keeps you away, rightly so, but listening to Meghan, I am starting to understand even more and more about what they are going through.

[0:34:00] Charlie Hoehn: Sounds like you two have a beautiful friendship in addition to a professional relationship which is awesome. So this has been great and I’ll double down on what you said about the importance of reaching out and asking for advice. I did that yesterday with a guy who’s a friend but I also have a professional relationship with. He is more than 10 years older than me but I got stuck on a problem that I have been thinking about for a while. And the best solutions I could come up with were I though above average but not great. We had a conversation about it for half an hour and by the end of it, we come up with something 100 times better than what I’d come up with on my own. So yeah and I felt awkward asking about it by the way. I felt uncomfortable but it was totally beneficial and both of us, I completely agree, whenever you ask somebody for advice or to hear their story, they are more than flattered that you thought of them. And they’re almost always happy to help unless they’re just somebody who is super busy and bombarded with things. So either way it’s an honor to ask somebody that and to receive it so I am totally on board. Now how can our listeners follow you two and connect with you?

[0:35:18] MF: Yeah so we have our book launches on the 20th? Gosh I don’t even know, I’m bad.

[0:35:26] SM: Yes, so they can find us on Amazon but we do – Meghan created an email address so we want them to table talk us, we want to hear from them.

[0:35:37] MF: And that is tabletalk@gmail.com.

[0:35:40] SM: I think that’s TT do it.

[0:35:42] MF: Oh I am sorry, scrap that Charlie. So you we’re not afraid to laugh at ourselves either. Okay, I believe it’s tt.tabletalk@gmail.com.

[0:35:56] SM: Yes.

[0:35:57] MF: Okay, she’s got that.

[0:35:59] Charlie Hoehn: tt.tabletalk@gmail.com.

[0:36:04] SM: Yes and we’d love to hear from you, trust me.

[0:36:07] MF: We really would, any questions, any stories, we’d love to and it is funny because since we’ve been writing about this, we had so many people open up to us and talk to us about their own experiences both awkward and awesome with mentorship.

[0:36:23] SM: Well I’ve had lots of people say to me because I let a little bit of the introduction out to a few people to gauge. I’ve had so many people start the sentence with, “My daughter needs this.” “My friends need this.” “My aunts need this.” It is something for everybody and Meghan and I are great storytellers. We provide a backdrop of some interesting characters and stories to move this along.

[0:36:48] Charlie Hoehn: Excellent. Well thank you so much for being on the show and for doing the book which is Table Talk. This has been great, Meghan and Shari thank you so much.

[0:36:58] SM: Thanks Charlie.

[0:36:59] MF: Thanks Charlie.

[0:37:01] Charlie Hoehn: Many thanks to Shari Moss and Meghan Fitzpatrick for being on the show. You can but their book, Table Talk, on amazon.com. Thanks again for listening to Author Hour, enlightening conversations about book with the authors who wrote them. We’ll see you next time.