Dave Crenshaw: The Power of Having Fun

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[0:00:28] Charlie Hoehn: You’re listening to Author Hour, enlightening conversations about books with the authors who wrote them. I’m Charlie Hoehn. Today’s episode is with Dave Crenshaw, author of The Power of Having Fun. What if you could accomplish more by taking more breaks? Dave teaches his clients how to be more productive and he found their best productivity gains where on the days where they stopped working to have fun. In this episode, we talk about why working first and playing second is actually hurting your growth as a fully realized person. We also talk about how to increase your work satisfaction. How to connect better with the people you love and how to live a more fulfilling life. Now, here’s our conversation with Dave Crenshaw. Dave, can you paint the picture of the moment you realized that this book, sort of needed to exist, or that this was a real problem. Bring us to that moment?

[0:01:44] Dave Crenshaw: Well, my background is in coaching entrepreneurs, small business owners. Over time, it’s evolved where I’m reaching a much broader audience but originally, I made my bread and butter having private coaching calls with people who are trying to grow their businesses. One thing that I kept seeing over and over was this mindset that enjoyment, happiness, fun, was something that came at the end. Right? It came at the moment when they harvested their business and would exit and what happens when someone has that perspective, whether or not they’re an entrepreneur, when their perspective is only in the end will all this be worth it. They lose motivation and they start to burn out, they perform not as effectively. I’m a productivity guy and this book comes from a productivity standpoint. What I did over and over with these clients who had this perspective, was we would start to inject moments of fun. We would schedule it in their calendar and get really precise about what they were going to do and take them through the process of figuring it out, as many of them had forgotten. I kept seeing over and over in my field research doing this with them. It would have a dramatic effect, not just in their personal life but in their business as well. They were more energized, they were more creative, they were more focused. All of my books that I’ve written have come from the experiences that I had working with clients and this was one that just really was begging to be written because it was such a consistent, pervasive problem.

[0:03:23] Charlie Hoehn: Tell us some of the client stories that really stood out to you that made you realize that “Man, this needs to be a book.”

[0:03:28] Dave Crenshaw: Yeah, I’ll tell you – I’ll start with one if you want more, I’ll tell you more. There’s a story that I mentioned in the book, there’s this one business owner who’s very well respected in his community, had a very successful small business, several employees growing rapidly and he wanted me to come in and help him with his productivity. Well, he was working or reported working 80 hours a week, every single week. I’m of the opinion, having done lots and lots of one on one boot camps and done lots and lots of online training. That anyone working over 60 hours per week, just simply doesn’t know how to manage their time. Regardless of how hard they want to work. We took a look at it, we analyzed how he was using his time and in the process of doing this analysis, it turned out that he had a little secret that he tried to keep hidden from everyone. For 20 hours every week of those 80 hours, he was really spending time in a secret world, specifically, the world of Warcraft. What was happening was, he was stressed out with work and then he would jump in and out throughout the day of this, kind of check in with his level 47 shaman or whatever he had, right? He would do this throughout the day and it was segmenting his day and actually adding to his stress. When we discovered this, he sort of hung his head and he said, “You’re going to tell me I have to stop playing video games, right?” I said “No, I’m not going to tell you to stop playing video games. Let me ask you a question, is this helping you? Does it help you to have this release?” He said “Yeah.” I said “Well okay, let’s not stop playing video games, let’s just be more strategic about it.” I asked him, “What was a more reasonable amount of time instead of 20 hours a week.” He said, “Well, probably five.” I’m like “Okay, five hours a week would still get you release and recharge?” He said “Yeah.” Then we created the schedule for the five hours a week and you know, along with a few other things that we did, he was able to drop from 80 hours to 55 hours almost immediately. Then he would – because he was doing it at the end of the work day, he would go home and be more focused on his family and better able to relax. He was using this as a transition time mentally from all the chaos of running a business to “Okay, now I’m just going to be in the world of Warcraft and then I’m going to go home.” That one story is one that just perfectly illustrates the principle that the power of having fun is teaching.

[0:06:03] Charlie Hoehn: Totally. No Dave, it’s funning in this interviews, I’d like to try and play devil’s advocate and push back on ideas and see if they actually stand up but I can tell you from firsthand experience and from teaching this topic myself, that what you’re talking about absolutely works. One of my favorite stories that I saw from a friend of mine. Her name is Erin Tyler, really talented graphic designer and she was working on a project and similar situation where she was working around the clock and we called her up one night and we said, “Erin, let’s hang out.” She said “No, I have to pull an all nighter tonight, I have to hit deadline tomorrow before noon and there’s no way I can go out. Absolutely no way.” We just detected the amount of stress and strain in her voice and we said, “Well, let’s go visit her, bring her some chocolate or something.” And we got there and we looked at the work on the screen and she wasn’t even close. You know, it just wasn’t coming together and she was so stressed out. She was like, “Guys, you need to leave” and we just insisted that she come take a break like we were like, it will be a short break and we kind of agreed on the way down as we’re walking down the stairs, we’re like, let’s go mini golfing. We took her mini golfing and at first she was like, “Guys, seriously, you don’t understand, I can’t do this.” Then she eventually just accepted and embraced doing mini golf for an hour. She had some champagne with us that we brought along with us, she loosened up. And when we dropped her off afterwards, she was like “Guys, thank you so much, I needed that.” She was feeling looser and she’s like, “I’m just going to go up, I’m going to get some sleep and then I’ll finish it tomorrow. I probably won’t hit the deadline, no big deal.” She texted us the next day and she legitimately thought she had eight hours of work in front of her the night before. She’s like, “Guys, I got it done in an hour and a half and it was really good.” I experienced the same thing with my work when I started incorporating recess. I know there’s tons of research about teachers who’ve implemented more recess and seeing less behavioral problems in their kids. So I’m a huge believer in what you’re talking about. So tell us more either stories or ideas from the book that maybe – I love creating your schedule so that’s an important thing that anybody can do this week, right? Is to sit down, create your schedule of taking breaks and having fun. What else can people do this week or what other stories can you tell that they can take away from this interview?

[0:08:54] Dave Crenshaw: Well, in the book, there are four prats. One is just setting up the concept of the book and in particular, the desert versus the oasis. These little breaks, these little fun breaks that I’m encouraging people to take, I call oasis. It’s because most people are in some part of their life, experiencing a desert. It’s like those movies where you see the travelers have to trudge through the desert for a long period of time, right? Laurence of Arabia is a classic with that. We all have these moments where we have extended periods of depravation or chaos that we’re just pushing through. We’re thinking, “If I could just make it to the other side, then, everything will be better. Then I’ll be happy, then I’ll be relaxed, then I can have fun.” Instead, what we want to do is strategically place these oasis along the way, along the journey. The typical way that people do this is they think, there are really two breaks, two big breaks, retirement and vacation, right?

[0:10:01] Charlie Hoehn: And heaven.

[0:10:03] Dave Crenshaw: Yeah, I guess that too, yeah. In between that are huge stretches of desert for people and instead, what I’m saying is you want to have a daily oasis, a weekly oasis, a monthly oasis and the yearly oasis. You determine what these are and make these a part of your schedule. Recurring. So that you constantly are replenishing and getting more energy. One word that you hear people use so often is a huge problem with their perspective about taking breaks, having fun, playing more. The word is, deserve. You deserve it. I deserve it because I worked hard. If I’m going through the desert, do I deserve water for good behavior?

[0:10:54] Charlie Hoehn: You’ve earned it.

[0:10:57] Dave Crenshaw: Did I earn this water because I worked hard? No. It is a necessity, it’s a requirement. That’s the same way that I am encouraging people to view these. It’s not something that happens at the end of the day when you performed well. It’s top priority that you schedule early on to make sure that you’re getting that energy so that you can better perform.

[0:11:19] Charlie Hoehn: Where does this idea of the oasis ultimately stem from, that we need to earn our keep before we can have fun?

[0:11:30] Dave Crenshaw: Well, I call it the culture of WISH. I’m not Gary Busy, I don’t have lots of acronyms but I do have two acronyms in the book okay? The first one is the culture of wish. The culture of WISH stands for, it will be Worth It Someday Hopefully. And, we as a society are addicted to the culture of WISH. The idea that someday, hopefully, all this effort will pay off, someday hopefully. Even not just work, there are lots of different deserts that people experience. For instance, you know, I have children, I have three children, my wife and I, we love them. But occasionally, we’re in the desert with them. I mean, it’s summer vacation right now as we’re having this conversation. Someday hopefully, they’ll be out of the house and we can relax again, right? Instead, what we want to do is transition from that to the culture of when. The culture of when is that we make it worth it, now. We schedule things to happen now, today that make it rewarding and from a science perspective, that actually helps us to perform better when we do that. The culture of WISH deprives us of the very thing that will make us productive. I’m a productivity guy, I’m not a happiness guy, I’m not a philosophical guy. I’m a productivity guy when it comes to business. The truth is, our productivity improves when we have more fun in our day and we make it a top priority.

[0:13:06] Charlie Hoehn: It seems so counter intuitive to so many and I’ve spoken with people who run companies and they’re ultimately like look, all I care about is bottom line, more productivity. I want my employees to be happy but to have somebody come in and tell me “No, just take time off, goof around.” They feel uncomfortable with that. How do you communicate the importance to people who are actually running companies? The importance of not working and even doing stuff that seems to go against the direct marching orders of the day?

[0:13:45] Dave Crenshaw: Yeah, the first thing that I say and I preface the book with this is, look, “I’m going to site some research, I’m going to give you some stories, I’m going to give you some field studies but do not take my word for it.” Experiments of human behavior have little value unless you take an experiment yourself. The first thing that I would say to someone who is sort of dragging their feet with this is, “Look, don’t take my word for it, just try it. Just experiment with it for a couple of weeks and let’s see how the experiment of you turns out.” Because there’s no proof like the proof that you experienced. That’s the first thing I would say. The second thing I would say is, in the book, I talk about how there are five stages of experiencing the power of having fun. The first stage that’s most critical perhaps is, permission. We must give ourselves permission to have fun more often. I do a few things like I put people through an exercise, we could talk about that if you want but I also give a lot of research, a lot of substantiation. For instance, there’s a study out of the university of Washington that they did about the role of dopamine and learning memory and performance. Dopamine is the naturally occurring motivation chemical that occurs in your body. What they did is they had this simple task where these mice needed to escape from the water. They had a set of mice that were not permitted to have dopamine. They removed that stimulus from their body. What happens was, the ones who kept performing the task, kept trying to do it over and over without the dopamine, they took significantly longer and the more they persisted in the task, the worse their times got. The mice that had the little pick me up of dopamine at any point in the process, they cut their performance time in half. Now, we’re not mice but some of us treat ourselves like we’re rodents in a maze, right? We repeat that same experiment over and over and what we want to do is inject little moments of dopamine. Anything, from going for a walk around the block, to listening to our favorite song, to watch it in a funny YouTube video. Any of these things. I we take a moment and allow ourselves to feel that, a self-selected fun activity, it just recharges us, reboots the system and allows us to go back and perform better just five minute later.

[0:16:24] Charlie Hoehn: Take us through the exercise that you mentioned?

[0:16:28] Dave Crenshaw: Okay. I’m going to give you three options and this is going to take a little bit of writing down. The first thing that I want you to do is everyone who is listening, think about your desert. What or if you’re not in a desert right now, a desert that you recently experienced. Whether that’s work, perhaps you have a health issue that you’re struggling with. Relationship challenge that’s been going on for a long time. Pick something that’s a desert and then for about 30 seconds, I want you to write down words of phrases that about how that makes you feel? It makes me feel tired, it makes me feel exhausted, whatever it is. You take 30 seconds to do that. Then, immediately after you do that, write down on a scale of one to 10, how much energy you have. 10 would be an overcaffeinated Jim Carry and one would be a sloth with the flu. What that does is that gives us the baseline, the control for comparison. Now, immediately after that, we want to do an oasis game. There are three options I talk about in the book. I’m going to do one that’s probably simplest for everyone listening to this. We’re just going to do something fun and meaningless. We’re going to do a pen catching game. Grab a pen or a pencil and put it on the back of your hand and see how many times you ca catch the pen within a 60 second time limit. You time yourself and just try and catch that pen. The best –

[0:18:55] Charlie Hoehn: Back of the hand, am I tossing it up in the air or –

[0:18:58] Dave Crenshaw: Yeah, you put it on the back of your hand and you toss it up in the air and then you grab it with your hand, right? So you are trying to get it in one complete motion, you toss the pen up, you grab it okay? And you’re probably going to drop it a bunch of times but my personal –

[0:19:11] Charlie Hoehn: I’m an athlete Dave, I’m an athlete.

[0:19:12] Dave Crenshaw: Oh alright, you’re a pen athlete. There’s a pun there right? A “pentathelon.” Anyway, so see how many times you can do that within 60 seconds. Then immediately after that, that 60 second spot write down on a scale of one to ten how much energy you feel and almost –

[0:19:40] Charlie Hoehn: I dropped it.

[0:19:40] Dave Crenshaw: You’re doing it right now, okay. So I’d encourage anyone if you are listening to this that they can pause it to do that. Take 30 seconds, go through the desert, write down the words then take 60 seconds, do the pen catching game and write down your score. Sorry, after the desert write down your score then pause again. Do the pen catching activity for 60 seconds and then write down your energy score. When I do this with live audiences, typically I see a full 50 to 100% increase in energy in a matter of one minute.

[0:20:17] Charlie Hoehn: Yeah, I was doing it for about 60 seconds and my energy improved remarkably, yeah.

[0:20:24] Dave Crenshaw: Yeah and here’s the interesting thing about it too. I do this sometimes with audiences. If I had a big audience and I’ve been hired in to come in and speak, I’ll get animal crackers and we’ll play the cookie face game, have you ever seen that on Minute to Win It or just seen it on YouTube?

[0:20:39] Charlie Hoehn: Probably.

[0:20:40] Dave Crenshaw: You put a cookie on your forehead and then without using your hands, you try and get the cookie down your face into your mouth.

[0:20:48] Charlie Hoehn: That’s fun, yeah.

[0:20:50] Dave Crenshaw: So what we do is we see who can get three that way but I have half the audience doing it and then the other half who don’t want to do it or gluten intolerant, whatever it is, I have them act as the cheerleader watching the other person doing it and both –

[0:21:04] Charlie Hoehn: Sorry to interrupt you, I do the same thing but I do rock-paper-scissors tournament style. So whoever wins, the loser becomes their cheerleader. So with each round it gets bigger and bigger that each winner gets a bigger and bigger following.

[0:21:28] Dave Crenshaw: Well there is actually a scientific reason why I am doing it in just two separate groups compartmentalized groups like this. It illustrates something that came up at a study called, it’s a funny titled study, A Walk Down The Lane Gives Wings To Your Brain that is an applied cognitive psychology. What they found was that taking a break improved performance. Okay that’s fairly obvious but what they found is that an active break such as going for a jog and a passive break, such as vegging out and watching a YouTube video, had the same benefit to energy. So when you have these people who are doing something fun and other people just watching something fun, they both get the impact from it. It illustrates that the listeners, people who are listening to this, you don’t have to do what other people think is fun. You do what you think is fun. You choose your activity and then you will get the benefit out of it regardless of what it is.

[0:22:29] Charlie Hoehn: Yeah and I am thinking now, some of our biggest industries are just people having fun and thousands and thousands of other people watching them have fun.

[0:22:40] Dave Crenshaw: Yeah, what was the company that just announced? Oh they have the video game, Overwatch they just announced a whole league for the video game. Everybody is watching cyber sports now and I get it. It’s entertaining to watch that.

[0:22:53] Charlie Hoehn: It is, it blew my mind. I watched a documentary last year. I think it’s called All Work All Play and it’s about people who play video games professionally. I could not believe they sell out entire stadiums filled with people just sitting around watching them play video games for hours at a time. It’s unbelievable, that’s what the biggest YouTube channels are is watching people play video games.

[0:23:22] Dave Crenshaw: Yeah, PewDiePie for the longest time was number one and he’s just a crazy guy playing video games making stupid observations about what is happening.

[0:23:30] Charlie Hoehn: Yeah, so how is this? Have you always been good at keeping fun in your life? What did the process of making this book – how did it change you in your routine?

[0:23:44] Dave Crenshaw: That’s a great question. So one of the stages, in fact the last stage that I walk people through is enjoyment. That is also an issue that I’ve seen with my coaching clients – is we can have people go through the motions of having fun but it may not hit them inside. So I provide a process of how people can learn how to regrow that enjoyment muscle. The reason why I share that in relation to your question is because that is something I personally really had a hard time with myself. I have a smattering of mental health issues that I grew up with, both from genetics and also just the impact of people in my life, abuse that I have experienced. So there was a period of time in my life where I wanted to be a good dad. I believe in family but my daughters would give me a hug and I would feel nothing from it That’s a really hard thing for someone who believes that family is the most important thing and yet for some reason, I wasn’t feeling that. And so in trying to help others with this – and that’s also a pattern in my career – is I help myself first and then I teach it to others. So the trick that I learned, I call it head, heart and mouth and so head heart and mouth goes like this: You first acknowledge intellectually that something fun or enjoyable is happening. So for instance, in one case my daughter gave me a card that said, “Daddy I love you” or whatever, so I acknowledge intellectually. That was very nice that she gave me a card, it’s sterile but what it does is it stops the brain from being in that constant go-go-go busy mode and says, “Look something fun happened.” You need to pay attention and then number two heart and that is asking yourself a question, how did that make me feel. Well to get this card from my daughter, it made me feel good. It made me feel like a good dad and then finally mouth is verbalizing it or expressing it in some way. So you could do that in writing and the example that I gave with the card I made a card for her and gave it back to her or just saying it out loud, that was great when I danced around the house, whatever it is. That process head, heart and mouth, I’d had many clients start to use that and report of how it completely rebooted their ability to feel anything. So many of us are wondering now if we’re sociopaths. When you’re in a state where you are constantly moving. And it is all about the next action and the next activity, you’re not giving your brain time to soak in the positive emotions that are occurring.

[0:26:43] Charlie Hoehn: That’s powerful and thank you for sharing that about yourself. I’ve got to say, I 100% agree with the mental health benefits of having fun. I use them myself for getting out of a stretch of debilitating anxiety. I’ve read other books where people who had really chronically play deprived lives, ended up having all these issues, emotional, social, mental and health issues. Play is essential and having fun is we evolve to have it. It’s essential to our wellbeing so I fully agree. So what is the rest of this year look like for you Dave? What are you going to be focusing on?

[0:27:31] Dave Crenshaw: Well right now, I’m focusing on letting people know about the book. I am doing a lot of speeches, a lot of presentations about the book which is fun. I do some crazy things during my presentation to illustrate if it is a little outside of the norm of what you would normally do with a business presentation. Well one was the cookie face thing, another one this is going to sound weird in an audio podcast but I dress fairly nice. I have tailored vest, clothes that sort of thing where a tie and so I come out on stage in the beginning and I say you know, here I am, an introduction that sort of thing and then I pause and say, “Am I dressed appropriately for a presentation about the power of having fun?” And then people pause and then I got custom pants made that the tailor actually looked up how they made the stripper pants for Magic Mike. So I yank the pants off and underneath I am wearing Bermuda shorts. And then I talk about how I am doing this to illustrate the point that work and fun are not opposite, they are two sides of the same coin. Then I stay on the side and the weirdest thing is in about 20 minutes, how normal this is going to look to you. So yeah, I am able to have lots of fun, things that I do with those speeches. A little different but fun.

[0:28:54] Charlie Hoehn: I am curious because I know some other folks kind of in the space. I’ve heard that it’s companies primarily on the west coast that are most receptive to this message and that the east coast is kind of like this wasteland of productivity and you can’t crack through to get them to want it and jump on board with this message. Have you found that to be true with the places you are speaking at?

[0:29:21] Dave Crenshaw: That’s an interesting perspective. I could see that. I could see it leaning a little bit that way and that’s why I take the approach that I do. As I mentioned this is not a philosophical thing. This is not a psychological sort of thing. I am coming from a standpoint of productivity. If you want your company to grow, if you want your employees to perform better and work harder then you should make having fun a part of your day. So I am fighting fire with fire and saying, “Look that’s fine. You want to be about productivity, you want to be about time management, great. Let me show you how you are going to make more money by doing it this way.” The Fortune 100 great places to work, the phrase that most closely correlates with “This is a great place to work,” is “This is a fun place to work.”

[0:30:15] Charlie Hoehn: And “I am surrounded by my friends.” Those two things and they are hand in hand.

[0:30:20] Dave Crenshaw: Yeah, if you want to recruit people, if you want to have good employee loyalty and retention then you need to make this a part of your strategy. Not just a nice little fun thing we do because that’s what we are supposed to do because people said it’s good to have fun. No this is a strategic decision that I am encouraging companies to make.

[0:30:41] Charlie Hoehn: Absolutely. If you were going to create an app to get people at companies to have more fun, what would that look like?

[0:30:50] Dave Crenshaw: Honestly, you might be disappointed with the answer. I think it’s simply the timer.

[0:30:55] Charlie Hoehn: Yeah, I agree. Timing it. It’s like we have sleep trackers right? Those are some of the most popular apps on the store and we have FitBit’s tracking how much we walk. Do you know Gwen Gordon by chance?

[0:31:10] Dave Crenshaw: No, I do not.

[0:31:11] Charlie Hoehn: Gwen, she used to be a designer, a Muppet designer for Sesame Street and she speaks on the importance of place and the benefits of it. She was considering making FitBit for laugher to measure how many times you laughed per day.

[0:31:29] Dave Crenshaw: I love it.

[0:31:30] Charlie Hoehn: So I think you are totally on point. It’s tracking it.

[0:31:33] Dave Crenshaw: Yeah and I will give you an example from coaching. One thing that I talked about in the book and perhaps you mentioned it in yours as well is the ultradian rhythm which is the need to take a break. To rest about every 90 to 120 minutes and everyone has a unique need when it comes to that. So sometimes when I am working with a client, we start somewhere and then we adjust that overtime. Again, that experiment of you and so I was working with one top level manager of a company. And we started and what he used was a boxing interval timer because he’s into MMA and then his oasis for the day would be to do shadow boxing. So his timer would go off and then at the next available opportunity, he would stop and do shadow boxing for 10 minutes and then return to it. After doing that for a little bit, he was like, “You know at 90 minutes, I still had gas in the tank” so then he tried a 110 and that was a little bit too far and so then he settled in at right around 100 minutes was his optimal ultradian rhythm to get work done. So that’s kind of where I am coming from with that is finding that rhythm that works for you when you need to take those work oases.

[0:32:45] Charlie Hoehn: Totally, what’s the most fun you ever had?

[0:32:48] Dave Crenshaw: Boy, there are a lot of different things. I don’t know if this is the most fun I’ve ever had but you know one thing I talk about is creating the family oasis with your loved ones. Even if it is not your nuclear family, it can be your best friends. Finding time to do something with them on a consistent basis and scheduling that. One thing that I did recently, let me preface this by saying my wife hates amusement parks. She hates Disney Land, it’s torture for her to go.

[0:33:18] Charlie Hoehn: Because of the lions or what?

[0:33:20] Dave Crenshaw: The lions, how dirty it is, how crowded it is, she’s just a very practical woman which I love about her but I actually enjoy it. I don’t mind it. So one thing I did, there was one week and I am planning on doing this again next year where I took my daughter, I flew with my daughter. I have three children, my youngest wasn’t old enough to do this. I flew with her, we went to California, we went to Disney Land for two days just her and dad. Then I flew back with her and then in Salt Lake City, I picked up my son and we went back and then I did it with him and we went to Disney Land and then we went to Knott’s Berry Farm the next day. That was such a recharge for me and it also was a recharge for them, to feel like you know what? Because of the work that dad is doing we get to do something fun like this. The people that are surrounding you and supporting you, they need to be rewarded as well for your hard work.

[0:34:19] Charlie Hoehn: I love it. Dave what is a parting piece of advice you have for aspiring authors, people thinking of writing their own books?

[0:34:26] Dave Crenshaw: For aspiring authors, well you know what? I mentioned a quote in my book because it was a little aside about how I believed in hard work. One of my favorite quotes comes from a very unlikely source and that is Richard Nixon. Now he’s not known for many positive things but he did say this and it was positive. “The skill needed to write a novel is an iron butt” and what that means is if you are going to write, you need to put your butt in the chair and you need to stay there and work on it. And I quite literary schedule “iron butt” time in my calendar when I write. Writer’s cramp is an excuse. It’s just a matter of putting your butt in a chair and writing. Then of course taking those oasis breaks after your 90 to 120 minutes for a little bit and then going back to it. That’s what I would say the biggest obstacle that I see so many people, they say “Oh I want to write a book” and maybe you have experienced this too Charlie is, “Well okay then write it.” Just start writing but for whatever reason they – “Well I am not ready to. I am not inspired enough.” No. Just put your rear end on the seat and start doing it.

[0:35:43] Charlie Hoehn: Good advice. So Dave how can our listeners connect with you and follow you?

[0:35:49] Dave Crenshaw: Well the best place to do that is davecrenshaw.com. You can sign up there. I sent out a weekly video. Lately we’ve been doing videos where people get to ask me questions. I have questions coming from all around the world, Australia, Dubai, Africa and then of course, through the United States. So people ask me questions and then each week, I send my response to them in a video so you can sign up there. If you want to check out the book, we also have an official site for that which is the powerofhavingfun.com.

[0:36:17] Charlie Hoehn: I love it. So everybody listening, if nothing else sit down, create your schedule of having fun, have your daily oasis, your weekly, monthly and yearly oasis. That’s what I really took away from this. Dave this was great thank you much.

[0:36:33] Dave Crenshaw: No thanks for the opportunity Charlie, I appreciate it.

[0:36:37] Charlie Hoehn: Many thanks to Dave Crenshaw for being on the show. You can buy his book, The Power Of Having Fun on amazon.com. What’s the most fun you’ve ever had? Let us know by leaving a review on iTunes or by writing us a comment at Facebook.com/authorhour. Thanks again for listening to Author Hour, enlightening conversations about books with the authors who wrote them. We’ll see you next time.