John Reid, Lynae Steinhagen: Episode 746

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[0:00:15] DA: There is a well of untapped potential inside of you which is waiting to be unleashed. Everybody has superpowers when they’re a child but we tend to lose them as we grow up but they’re always there, right below the surface, ready for us to reactivate them and fully manifest our human potential. In the new book, The Five Lost Superpowers, you’ll learn to reclaim your own superhero birthright. As you grow up, you were taught to dampen the natural strength of your curiosity resilience, authenticity, compassion, and playfulness. The book helps you understand why you came to believe that powers don’t fit in a grown-up world and to discover how to reignite them to unlock your best self. You’ll explore the innate leadership tool-belt you forgot you had and reconnect with the leader you were born to be, the kind of leader and person knows how to activate superpowers in themselves and everyone around them. Hey Listeners, my name is Drew Applebaum and I’m excited to be here today with John Reid and Lynae Steinhagen, co-authors of The Five Lost Superpowers: Why We Lose Them and How to Get Them Back. John, Lynae, thank you for joining, welcome to The Author Hour Podcast.

[0:01:26] JR: Thank you, Drew, great to be here.

[0:01:27] LS: Thanks so much.

[0:01:29] DA: Now, before we start this episode, you have other co-authors that help with writing the book as well, correct?

[0:01:35] JR: Correct.

[0:01:36] LS: Yes, we have Andrew Reid who also works with the Jamboree Group and Corina Chase. Each one of us took a different chapter and John has two chapters that he contributed to the book.

[0:01:51] DA: All right, John just showing off right there.

[0:01:53] LS: That’s exactly what he’s doing.

[0:01:56] JR: Totally.

[0:01:57] DA: Thank you, you two, for spending some time with us here today. If you can and if you don’t mind, would you give us a brief rundown of your professional backgrounds respectively?

[0:02:08] LS: Where to begin? It feels like it started a long time ago. I’m about 30 years of learning and development consultant and I’ve spent a lot of time in the classroom with lots of different teams, lots of different leaders, either working with them to help improve individual performance or team performance. Sometimes, that looks like individual coaching, sometimes it looks like team coaching, sometimes it looks like creating experiences for people to help them see different ways of thinking and being and working together. It’s been a marvelous career, one that I’ve really enjoyed and I’ve been working with John and the team at the JM Reid Group for almost 10 years now. We’ve had great fun working together, partnering with lots of different clients all over the globe, lots of clients in North America but also south America and Europe as well.

[0:03:01] JR: All right, thank you Lynae, this is John Reid. I’ve had two careers, the first career was in industries, I worked at a University of Maryland in the chemical industry of all things where I didn’t have a chemistry degree. That’s important for the story later on because in order to succeed, I had to be wildly curious which I’m sure we’ll get into. I left that industry because I had a passion around learning, I thought people could get better, wanted to get better so I joined the industry about 30 years ago now. I work for a variety of companies to try to learn the industry and to get a better sense of what worked and what didn’t work. I started my own firm 12 years ago based upon three core principles. One is that context is king, that the learner doesn’t care about the model as much as the training companies, what they care about is, is this relevant to me, does this person understand my world? The second thing is that the learner has wisdom and that we want to tap into that wisdom. Oftentimes, I was a high performer back in the day and those training wasn’t designed for anybody like me or even for middle performers often. I thought, wouldn’t it be great to design training for middle of a high performers where most people sit in an organization? Context is king, there’s wisdom in the room. Finally, this idea of design really matters. How do you engage people? People think they already know stuff, how do you train some – how do you teach trust to somebody? Nobody openly thinks they’re not trustworthy. How do you break that down? Accountability, we all think we’re accountable. There was so many challenges there, the way I thought, saw it being done, I didn’t think was affective where there was the stage on the stage, they were the smart one, they had the model, you had to listen and then you would be fine. I thought that needed to be abandoned. That’s been the goal of our design, our company for the past 12 years. The learning leader that Ernst & Young said he probably said it the best, but I’m saying it now. He said, “You guys are learner centric,” which is we always start with who is this learner, where are they at? What are they thinking and how do we get them from probably good to great, not from bad to good. How do we help them move on that journey? We’ve been doing it for 12 years; it’s been a joy.

[0:05:05] DA: You’ve been doing this for a while now, why was now the time to share these stories in the book, was there something inspiring out there? Did you have an “Aha!” moment or, did enough folks come up to you and say hey, you really need to write this down and you really need to spread this message to the masses.

[0:05:22] JR: That’s a great question. I wrote another book, I have some expertise in sales and consistent with what I just said, I wrote a book called From Models to Mindsets. That the issue with sales people was that they needed more models but they had to get their mindset right. A lot of the training wasn’t working because it was all model driven. While writing that book and really thinking about curiosity, which I’ve thought about for a long time, I thought, these five lost super powers and we designed curiosity stuff. We would show, we were talking about curiosity as a lost superpower but then it came to me that there’s probably five and isn’t that a cool number? There’s probably a book here and how we’re going to get this thing written? Fortunately, I’m surrounded by brilliant people who had passion like I do and so that’s how we have a lot of co-authors because they have expertise, they look at the world similar to the way I look at it. The voice I think is consistent across the authors but it does help with the lift, right? To get the book done. It really came from probably the start was curiosity, the power the children have and then thinking, but there are other ones and authenticity was quickly behind it, resilience was right there. Those three kinds of just jump off the page and then we had to search and think about and debate, “What are the other two?”

[0:06:38] LS: One of the great things, if you can say the word “great” that came out of the pandemic is that we had the time, because things slowed down for us as our clients were pivoting to a virtual environment and, to return to something that John just said, he’d focused on curiosity in a lot of learning experiences. The superpowers conversation had been a conversation that we had been in with certain experiences with certain clients over the years and so we had really built some constructs, some really solid thinking around how we could translate these ideas into doing what I said earlier has been part of my marvelous career and that is creating experiences to help people think differently. We’re reminded with what we’ve written with what our experiences have been around the super powers that all of us have these capabilities. It’s very human to have these characteristics and to be able to tap into that and to have the time to tap into that and to explore that is really why we did it now. The pandemic gave us the time to slow down and step away from what had been a really full schedule and we all have the time to cocreate together and it was just a terrific process, we loved it.

[0:07:57] DA: Now, when you sat down to actually write the book, in your minds, who were you writing this book for? Who do you think can get the most from the book?

[0:08:08] JR: That’s a great question that we kind of been back and forth on. When we first started thinking about the book, I don’t know Lynae, if you know this, I think you do. The first idea was a graphic novel because it’s about superpowers and we were going to – everybody said, “Let’s do a graphic novel, won’t that be cool and interesting?” but I actually asked some people, I started to test that idea and some people said “Yeah, no, wouldn’t take you seriously if it was a graphic novel.”

[0:08:32] LS: I don’t think it was my favorite idea either. I think I might have been one of those people who was like, “Yeah, no, I don’t think so.”

[0:08:40] JR: I said no, we’re not going to do that but we will have fun with it, there’s a lot of super hero analogies in it. When we sat down to write it, there’s this – it’s everyone, right? We all can benefit from tapping into these superpowers. They’re in us, we had them at one point, and some of us have them more than others today, maybe we didn’t lose them but there’s five of them and isn’t that cool? Because of the nature of our business, we’re really thinking about leaders, we’re thinking about managers, we’re thinking about organizations. It’s written, there’s a section in each of the superpowers of how to apply this in business context. Any individual contributor, anyone who wants to get better, who wants to think differently about where they are and where they want to get to, and wants to get there faster will benefit from the book. Lynae, would you add anything to that?

[0:09:24] LS: What I would add is, yes, we have leaders in mind and we talk about things from the leadership perspective and we also know from a lot of the work that we’ve done with a lot of different clients is that notion that, that idea, and it might sound a bit trite, but there is a leader in everybody and so we are sort of appealing to that potential that we all have to bring our best selves to lead ourselves, to lead others, to trying new things, to being more curious, to being more authentic, all of those superpowers that we talked to. We have leaders in mind but to John’s point with the individual contributor, yeah, everybody has the potential for leadership and that’s really what we’re tapping into.

[0:10:11] DA: Well, let’s dig into the book itself. The title is The Five Lost Superpowers, you just mentioned it so I have to ask, what are the five lost superpowers?

[0:10:21] JR: I will answer this question, a little context which I think is interesting for the listener. This also came about because there’s a book on curiosity, there’s a book about grit, there’s a book about purpose, there’s a book – we have this approach where – this is the answer. One thing’s the answer and I’m always rebelling against it that there’s one thing to answer. Things are complex. There’s probably five or six or seven answers. There’s five things that you can tap into, not just one. That’s sort of the back drop to why not just write a book on one of these but we saw— The five are— The first one is curiosity, that’s the first one that came up. Curiosity was first, resilience, as I mentioned before, being authentic, those three were the first core ones, then we had a healthy debate about the last two. I like where we ended up, we ended up with compassion which is sort of empathy on steroids but it’s actually taking action. Empathy is feeling and understanding but compassion’s actually the act of doing something with it and kids are compassionate as we say in the book. Then the last one is playfulness which captures imaginations, captures creativity and there’s a clearly, research and an argument to be made and we need more of that. We had the ideas, we had to validate it that they, in fact, kids do poses them and then we had to look at the research to see okay, what’s the value then? What happened to them? Did they in fact diminish? Fortunately for us, we can make the argument pretty compellingly in the book for each of these five.

[0:11:54] LS: One of the things I want to build on is the idea of the action. These aren’t just ideas, they are activating superpowers. I think about it in terms of a verb. I wrote the chapter on resilience and I often, when I did the research and when I was doing the writing, I thought about it and I still think about it as “doing resilience” even though that’s not grammatically correct. Because it is really active and I think that’s one of the things that we’re tapping into is how engaging, energizing these superpowers can be and we’re helping people figure out how to bring them to life. We’re not just talking about things theoretically or conceptually. We’re talking about how to do curiosity, how to do resilience, how to do authenticity, compassion, how to do playfulness. Here’s what it looks like and here’s why it’s worth doing.

[0:12:52] DA: Now, what has happened that so many adults just don’t exercise these powers anymore, how do they become lost in the first place?

[0:13:00] JR: Wow, that’s a big question, Drew. Do you want to take part and I’ll take part? How do you want to handle this one Lynae? It’s a big question.

[0:13:08] LS: It is a really big question and that’s actually part of what we each dug into in our chapters and it is complex. Very simply put, without digging into each one of the superpowers, life gets in the way, you know? Experiences get in the way, cultural messages get in the way, school. School gets in the way and teaches conformity. One of the reasons that children lose a sense of these superpowers that they’re born into the world with is because the world around them tells them, here’s how you should behave. When leaders or adults go into corporations, there’s a culture around them that is showing them the politics of the culture and what they should do and how they should show up. This is one of the things that we’re trying to uncover is how you can give back to those core characteristics of who you were when you joined earth and the value of getting back to those things. That’s where I would start. John, how would you build on that?

[0:14:10] JR: Yeah, another way to go is just, what gets rewarded, what gets punished?

[0:14:13] LS: Yup.

[0:14:14] JR: Right? Answers get rewarded, I better have the answer, you know? Being serious is rewarded. It’s opposite of playfulness. Conforming. What gets rewarded and what gets punished? It’s interesting because you can look at a small child, aged three and they’re asking all these questions and you’re like, isn’t that cute and aren’t’ they funny and you’re laughing and you're rewarding that behavior. Then by aged six, you’re like, stop with all the questions, you know?

[0:14:36] DA: Knock it off.

[0:14:38] JR: Knock it off, we get –

[0:14:39] LS: It’s exhausting. It’s exhausting.

[0:14:41] JR: We like it at one point, right? Until we don’t, until we don’t like it. It’s a lot of just what happens around us, right? It’s what’s happening around us all the time and then we receive those messages and obviously tone it down to some degree.

[0:14:53] LS: Authenticity is the one to look at that, there are messages about what’s rewarding and what’s not. When I think about that chapter, which is the chapter that Corina wrote, she makes a really good point about the difference between flexing and pretending and what’s rewarded. Is it rewarded in a circumstance, in a culture to pretend to be a certain way or is it rewarded to flex and to meet other people on the team where they’re at or meet the customer where he or she is at. To use that term, “what’s rewarded,” influences how I show up and how I’m going to choose to show up because I’m typically going to choose what safe because I am a human being after all. If I’m not going to be rewarded or if it’s going to be safe, I’m going to have to – if there’s going to be negative consequences for a particular behavior, yeah, I’m going to avoid that. Oftentimes, that’s what people experience in culture is, yeah, a reward that says, “Hey, you know what? I got to behave that way, even though that doesn’t feel 100 percent authentic to me or it’s not something that I’m comfortable with. I've got to because that’s what the culture is asking me to do.”

[0:16:04] JR: There is sayings, Drew, there is a lot of them in the book but just like, you know, these ones I always cringed at from the beginning like I got to go back to my early career but like “fake it until you make it” what does that mean? Why, would I fake, so lie until I’m not lying anymore? Wouldn’t it just better to say, “I don’t know?” No, I got to act. You know, that is still said today. People will say it, “Oh you know, you got to fake it until you make it.” I’m like, no, you don’t. You shouldn’t, that’s awful. Don’t do that, stop. Just be your authentic self. There is a great gift in doing these behaviors too that came out, like authenticity is great because if I am authentic then that allows you to be authentic. As a leader I have that power, if I can bring my team together and say, “Look, I got no idea what to do here” then that liberates them they go, “Neither do we” but if we act like, “No, I can’t say that because I am the leader and I have to know” then we all go through this kabuki and where we’re putting on these faces and we’re not dealing with the real world anymore. There is a lot of power to these superpowers once you dig into the mythology against them and then you realize the power within them.

[0:17:10] DA: Now, all you have to do is really look at the list of the five and I think everybody can just relate a little bit that they have lost a little bit of one of those at least, if not all five. When you decide, “Okay, I’m going to reintroduce these superpowers” between them, is there a different way to really focus on each of the above to make sure that we’re really unleashing them within ourselves?

[0:17:36] LS: Yeah, you know, I think that with any learning experience, you can’t separate them from each other but it also doesn’t do the superpowers justice to say they only work if they work in concert because that’s like saying, “All right, you know, as a human being you’ve got to show up with a certain number of characteristics on any given day otherwise nobody is going to take you” you know? I mean, it’s just we show up as we show up and I think what we wanted to do was give people permission to be human and to be real but we picked up the superpowers that we know can be transformative if you tap back into them. Going back to that curiosity thing, the power of questions, the power of wonder, of discovery that comes from that. The issue of resilience plays in almost every experience that we have because we’re faced with a VUCA world, volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguous. There is always something changing and the ability move and flex with it, that’s what makes resilience real and required. The whole playfulness thing for example, I mean, like when could we all not be more playful? I mean, we all could really lighten up, you know? I mean, I certainly know I could. I think one of the things that we’re trying to do is just give people permission to look at themselves and go, “Yeah, you know what? I can be more human.” There isn’t an inter-dependency, you don’t have to be one to be the other but the point is they all matter and they all make a difference and they can help transform an individual’s performance as well as an organization’s performance.

[0:19:19] JR: The beauty is there’s a great likelihood that you at one time in your life exhibited these. It’s not like something you’ve never done. Now, you might not be able to remember when you did it but you did it. You were curious, you were resilient, you were authentic and so it exists within you, so that’s lost like you lost your keys. It is not like lost in space where you’re never going to find it again. Like I lost my keys if I look around I’ll find them again and if I find my keys, well, I can start my car, I can open my house and all the good things that I can do. We help the reader understand, “Here’s what it is, here’s what happened to it and here is how you get it back” right? That’s the journey of the reader. When we talk about curiosity, here is what we mean and typically it starts out curiosity is first. We’ve debated whether it’s the top of the find and we decided – well, I don’t want to say that it is just because I wrote the chapter or anything.

[0:20:08] LS: Okay, now the truth comes out now. The truth comes out, that gets all day long.

[0:20:11] JR: It is [inaudible 0:20:11.0] others, right?

[0:20:12] LS: Yeah, I mean he wrote the chapter. It had to be first and then we got it out of the way and then the rest of us can show up, right?

[0:20:18] JR: If I’m curious then I am curious about everything else in the book, right?

[0:20:22] LS: Which is true.

[0:20:23] JR: I’m open to the idea and I am willing to take new ideas and new thoughts in, but it’s been a great journey and like Lynae said, they’re not interdependent. We did look at others, right? We said risk taking that is more of a teenager thing so that didn’t quite fit. We went back and forth on a couple of other ones amongst ourselves to just to challenge ourselves and intentionally actually, Drew, to see can they stand alone? Can they rely on the other or not? These all can stand alone, they don’t rely on the other skill in order for you to tap into it.

[0:20:55] DA: Now, just to set expectations for folks who really do want to reintroduce these superpowers into their lives, what can they expect? Can they expect to see results quickly? Do they really have to work hard on these? Do they need time to build up?

[0:21:08] LS: Like any leadership skill, it is a habit and a practice. You don’t start working out your arms and immediately have buff arms with no skin that sags, I could be talking about my own arms, I’m just saying. You know, I mean, there’s a practice. There is a little bit at the time. I think one of the things that people will immediately feel, “this is one of the things that we were going for,” and that is kind of that recognition of, “Oh I get it.” because John mentioned it earlier, “I’ve done this before. I know what this feels like.” So there’s that feeling that they’re going to get right away. The feeling that this resonates, this feels possible, this feels comfortable, it feels familiar, and more importantly, I want to do that. I want to reach for these things because it feels natural. It is my natural state to be curious. It is my natural state to be resilient. It’s the world around me that’s made it hard for me to do these things so I want to return to my natural state. That I think is one of the immediate things even if somebody isn’t engaging immediately or seeing immediate results externally, internally, I think they’ll feel it right away.

[0:22:19] JR: Yeah and again, they see it around them. If they are lucky enough to have children or nephews or nieces or any small people in their lives, they’ll see these characteristics and when they see them, they like them. So then it is not too hard to go, “Wouldn’t you like to see a little of that in you?” I think it is – I don’t know if that is an easy sell but I think it is a much easier path versus again, something like, “Let me tell you how to be trustworthy” which is, they’re going to resist. “I already am trustworthy, who are you to tell me?” This is something that they’re going to go, “Yeah, I get that.” And they can find out what happened like, “So, what happened to my curiosity? Isn’t that interesting?” you know? There is a great research about explore versus exploit for example. We explore and then we’re told to exploit our knowledge and the problem is we go too far to exploit and we forget about explore, you know? There is some simple stuff that once you understand it, you go, “Aha! This is the trap I’m in. This is where I ended up and I can go back to where I was.”

[0:23:19] LS: Drew, I know that you’re the one asking the questions but I’m curious, would you take a look at the list of superpowers, is there one that you’re kind of immediately drawn to? Is there one that says, “Hey, you know what? That kind of grabs my interest. I want to know more a little bit about—” I mean, I’m interested in knowing what grabs you?

[0:23:38] DA: You know, I think as I get older, I think the curiosity one really hit me because I’m tending to do a little bit less these days and I want to always continue learning and always continue asking questions and always continue to do new experiences and so, now, it is more about managing and making the time for those, which I haven’t been doing recently. I think digging into that chapter a little bit more I think will really be helpful for myself.

[0:24:07] LS: I think that experience right there, just your description, your personal relationship with the idea of the superpower is also something that we’re calling to the readers to consider is what interests you. You don’t have to start at the beginning, open the chapter on playfulness, which is the last chapter or go to compassion, start there. You know, dig into the one that resonates with you may be based on what you’re experiencing now or to the point that you just made, Drew, what you’re not experiencing. You have more time and you want to discover more and you’re not discovering as much as you want to, so that’s a great driver.

[0:24:46] DA: I discover too much Netflix really. Okay, let’s go back to the book.

[0:24:52] LS: Oki-doki.

[0:24:52] JR: All right.

[0:24:53] DA: You pulled a quick one, Lynae. Okay, so the reader takes it maybe the really dig into a chapter or maybe they take the book on as a whole, what impact do you hope it will have on them overall and what are some initial steps that you hope a reader will take?

[0:25:09] JR: Wow, that’s a good question. I mean, the word “joy” came to mind, that they would read this and that they would be joyful. They will be like, “Well, that was a good read you know? There is hope for all of us.” If we’re going fun style, if there’s got some super hero theming throughout it, so I think they would feel like, “Wow, that was smart” that we worked out. I hope and think that way. I think that they will be more successful if they can— because I think, and again, we make the business case at the end of each chapters that this stuff matters and it is a way– I mean it is that beautiful thing that comes together when doing the right thing also gets rewarded and you know, if you do these things it will get rewarded so I expect them to be better humans having read the book and then having implemented some of the things that we’re suggesting. Lynae, anything you would add to that?

[0:25:55] LS: The only think I would add is the connection between doing and feeling. I go back to that verb idea, the idea that a lot of this, what we are encouraging them to do is activate it. When I was doing research on the resilience chapter and doing some writing, one of the concepts that comes up a lot when people are viewed as being resilient is that often they’re viewed as being strong. The difference in the research and certainly difference in my experience between resilient people and others is not just the issue of being seen as strong but feeling strong. Making the connection between how I show up but then that’s also how I feel because that’s when it’s a little bit more sustainable. I keep returning to that sense of feeling, how it feels to be curious and that there’s, to John’s point, that there’s fun in it and it feels wondrous and it feels light-hearted and so I want to do more of that. If I am strong and feel strong, I’m going to tend to do more things that will perpetuate my resilience. The same thing with authenticity, if it feels right and I’m able to be myself with compassion, if I find the opportunity to connect my heart to experiences that I have, I’ll be able to repeat some compassionate activities. It is really connecting that feeling with the doing, that’s what I want people to take away and that’s what I think they are going to take away.

[0:27:28] DA: Now, there are a lot of references in the book to other works and I loved to find out, do you offer other resources to readers and are there other resources or references that you would really suggest if somebody wants to take a deeper dive into one or many of the subjects?

[0:27:46] LS: Well, what I would start to say is the main reason we refer to these, you know, that we have all of these other references is because we wanted to lend some heft to the argument that we were making, you know? It was really important to us that this – although we really like our ideas and we thought our ideas are really good. We felt really confident that we were putting good ideas out in the world, we also wanted to back them up by research. There’s that and that’s why we have that with every one of the superpowers. You know, I can’t say specifically that I have one reference because there is just – particularly with resilience, there is a growing body of knowledge around resilience. There are a lot of books, yeah, you know what I would say to somebody who wants to dig in more? Google resilience and start because literally because there is a – after you read our book. Read the book first then Google resilience because there is so much out there. I wouldn’t necessarily point— because there is a lot and you need to find something that resonates with you. John, how would you answer on curiosity?

[0:28:50] JR: For some of these subjects, there’s compassion is a tough one. To say here is a single source because there’s so many sources, so much work being done, trying to contrast that with empathy and so, much like Lynae is saying, Google them. We looked at a lot of research reports, a lot of scientific reports, some of that are out, some that aren’t now, try to find who the expert is, try to see what they are saying. That was the work I think for compassion and I will say playfulness as well. Curiosity is a little easier because there has been good work done on this idea. One of my favorite books is Range by David Epstein, the idea that you know, I think it is why generalists win in a specialized world. He makes the argument that it’s not about being an expert, it’s about being a generalist and of course, that requires curiosity and he makes that case. There is a good book called Curious. There is stuff on curiosity and asking questions that I think if the reader wants to know more about that, there is a place to go but these other four, well resilience has some stuff like Lynae said but –

[0:29:50] LS: Resilience has a ton, yeah.

[0:29:52] JR: There is so many sources though to this that we’ve used to validate, to confirm, to take a different look at it, to find something unique that hasn’t been said, so I think it’s a little bit of a mixed bag there but I love to – but all of this, all the references are in the book. It’s all there if people want to know more where to go.

[0:30:10] DA: Well John, Lynae, you know we just touched on the surface of the book here but I want to say just putting this book together where you are just helping folks rediscover themselves and the power they have within is no small feat, so congratulations on having your book published.

[0:30:24] LS: Thanks so much.

[0:30:25] JR: Thanks, Drew.

[0:30:25] DA: This has been a pleasure and I’m really excited for people to check out the book. Everyone, the book is called, The Five Lost Superpowers, and you could find it on Amazon. John and Lynae, besides checking out the book, is there somewhere else where people can connect with you?

[0:30:39] JR: Absolutely. I’m John Reid, I’m the president of JM Reid Group. This is also in the book but it’s www.jmreidgroup.com, we’d love to hear from you and we can continue the conversation. Lynae, anything to add to that?

[0:30:57] LS: No, definitely call John.

[0:31:02] DA: Wonderful. Thank you so much for giving us some time and coming on the show today and best of luck with your new book.

[0:31:08] LS: Thanks so much.

[0:31:09] JR: Thank you, Drew.

[0:31:12] DA: Thanks for joining us for this episode of Author Hour. You can get John Reid, Andrew Reid, Corina Chase and Lynae Steinhagen’s new book, The Five Lost Superpowers, on Amazon. Also, you can also find a transcript of this episode and all of our other episodes on our website at authorhour.co. For more Author Hour, subscribe to this podcast on your favorite subscription service. Thank you for joining us, we’ll see you next time. Same place, different author.